(11/09 16:47:25) Dni_seeker 5: Hi Kelsei... where are you?
(11/09 16:47:36) Kelsei A.T.: middle landing
(11/09 16:50:02) M'ehrik nods his head
(11/09 16:51:00) Dni_seeker 5: D'ni. The kingdom beneath the surface, where there was the power to write worlds.
(11/09 16:51:13) Kelsei A.T.: mh?
(11/09 16:51:17) Kelsei A.T.: yes, quite a marvel.
(11/09 16:51:22) M'ehrik: keeper of the secrets...
(11/09 16:51:43) M'ehrik: the ancient Uru.
(11/09 16:52:12) Dni_seeker 5: I wish I could have seen this place before the Fall.
(11/09 16:52:43) Kelsei A.T.: alas,
(11/09 16:52:51) Kelsei A.T.: not possible short of a time machine, at this point.
(11/09 16:53:09) M'ehrik: let's get the one in Todelmer *snickers*
(11/09 16:53:22) Dni_seeker 5: all that history... and for what? For two criminals to destroy this amazing place? For the city to be left in ruin?
(11/09 16:53:56) M'ehrik: well, most of the living D'ni are happy on Releeshahn as we speak, I'm sure.
(11/09 16:54:22) Kelsei A.T.: you'll find that in every civilization in the world, there's people who want nothing more than to burn it all down if they can't pretend to be kings.
(11/09 16:54:49) Kelsei A.T.: though, ill say its better to be left in ruins than to be left in the hands of criminals.
(11/09 16:55:16) Kelsei A.T.: a D'ni controlled by Ae'geras and Veovis and their crew of goons?
(11/09 16:55:21) Kelsei A.T.: i shudder at the thought
(11/09 16:55:23) Kelsei A.T. flinches
(11/09 16:55:33) M'ehrik: Let's not forget what the D'ni did to other peoples, and bahro, in their Ages...
(11/09 16:55:39) M'ehrik: They were just people, like us.
(11/09 16:55:44) M'ehrik: Not all perfect.
(11/09 16:56:09) Kelsei A.T. nods her head
(11/09 16:56:11) Obregon: Kinda entitled and imperialistic maybe?
(11/09 16:56:21) M'ehrik: Possibly

(11/09 16:56:41) M'ehrik: But I am not a history buff, couldn't tell you one King from the other, other than Rineref maybe.
(11/09 16:56:52) Kelsei A.T.: same, history isnt my thing,
(11/09 16:56:54) Kelsei A.T.: languages, yes
(11/09 16:56:58) Kelsei A.T.: history, not so much...
(11/09 16:57:18) Dni_seeker 5: I guess you could say that about the D'ni, but let me point out that what happened in Teledahn and Rebek was illegal.
(11/09 16:57:46) M'ehrik: I hope so. I always got the impression what Yeesha talked about was a systemic thing.
(11/09 16:57:58) M'ehrik shrugs
(11/09 16:58:21) M'ehrik: By the way, is Shroomie still in Teledahn?
(11/09 16:58:34) Kelsei A.T.: yes she is,
(11/09 16:58:38) Kelsei A.T.: ive seen her from time to time
(11/09 16:58:42) M'ehrik: Awesome!
(11/09 16:58:48) Kelsei A.T.: as for systemic things...
(11/09 16:59:00) Kelsei A.T.: i do wonder how much the average person was aware of what those in the shadows did?
(11/09 16:59:18) M'ehrik: True.
(11/09 16:59:20) Kelsei A.T.: we only know so much about the well preserved areas of D'ni- the rich areas. the well trafficked ones...
(11/09 16:59:29) Dni_seeker 5: People who don't pay attention might assume that Yeesha always tells the truth. But the truth can be VERY different from the WHOLE truth sometimes.
(11/09 16:59:33) Kelsei A.T.: the lower and less common areas... there's not much to know.
(11/09 16:59:53) Kelsei A.T.: personally, i think Yeesha was trying to point out the flaws,
(11/09 17:00:12) Kelsei A.T.: for everything we knew before her interventions, there were many accounts of people thinking the D'ni could do no wrong...
(11/09 17:00:22) Obregon: Yeesha has been on a crusade ever since she took Bah'ro Studies at UD
(11/09 17:00:37) M'ehrik: I mean, Jalak is basically like D'ni e-sports. The KI is like a super advanced interdimensional smartphone.
(11/09 17:00:49) Kelsei A.T.: whether or not she was trying to paint all of D'ni with a negative brush, or just point out that they were just conflicted people at their core...
(11/09 17:01:00) Kelsei A.T. shrugs
(11/09 17:01:20) M'ehrik: It's a general message, right? Same thing with Gehn on Riven...
(11/09 17:01:23) M'ehrik: or Atrus' sons...
(11/09 17:01:27) Kelsei A.T. nods her head
(11/09 17:01:59) Dni_seeker 5: in any society there will always be people like what Yeesha was describing. The difference is that Yeesha is basically saying "ALL D'NI ARE EVIL SLAVE DRIVERS"
(11/09 17:02:28) Dni_seeker 5: the word that makes it not true is ALL
(11/09 17:02:32) Obregon: Hence my comment about her having taken Bah'ro Studies
(11/09 17:02:39) Dni_seeker 5: Most D'ni are were not
(11/09 17:02:43) Kelsei A.T.: i never got the feeling she was saying that it was 'all' D'ni, in what she said
(11/09 17:02:56) M'ehrik: Same.
(11/09 17:03:08) Kelsei A.T.: there's a lot of nuance to what Yeesha said,
(11/09 17:03:14) M'ehrik: Anyway, D'ni weren't the only people to do what they did. Just the one we know about.
(11/09 17:03:28) Kelsei A.T.: so many folks dismiss what she said as just nonsense- not listening even to the 'blatant' message of anti slavery.
(11/09 17:03:51) Kelsei A.T.: not everyone, mind you, but enough i get frustrated hearing people dismiss what shes said.
(11/09 17:04:13) Obregon: She points out that the D'Ni empire was built at a certain expense of indigenous people
(11/09 17:04:20) Obregon: And slave labor
(11/09 17:04:44) Dni_seeker 5: The Bahro were clearly slaves, but how many people knew about them and how many were okay with it is not known. And Yeesha...
(11/09 17:04:48) Kelsei A.T.: indeed, but when she calls out D'ni for that, is she calling out only those in power, or the average citizens who may not have any way of changing things?
(11/09 17:04:49) M'ehrik: She brought Kadish back to life, right...?
(11/09 17:04:56) Kelsei A.T.: and with the Bahro
(11/09 17:05:13) Kelsei A.T.: as i understand it, not even a Master Guild of Writers guild master knew of them.
(11/09 17:05:21) Obregon: I don't think D'ni was a democracy....
(11/09 17:05:26) Kelsei A.T.: it wasnt,
(11/09 17:05:41) Kelsei A.T.: it was a Kingdom, then it was a guild run system.
(11/09 17:05:55) Kelsei A.T.: the average people never had much say in anything as i understand it.
(11/09 17:06:10) M'ehrik: was the Arch always as clear in the water or did they clean this lake...?
(11/09 17:06:16) Obregon: So how does political change happen in that kind of society?
(11/09 17:06:20) Kelsei A.T.: violently,
(11/09 17:06:37) Dni_seeker 5: the People were not 100% Guildsmen, so... yes, it cannot be a democracy if...
(11/09 17:06:46) Kelsei A.T.: the Mee-dis war is where D'ni's grave was dug, i think...
(11/09 17:06:57) Obregon: the arch and its reflection have looked like this since I've been coming here
(11/09 17:07:06) Obregon: It's lovely, isn't it?
(11/09 17:07:12) M'ehrik: Hmmm. Yes, quite.
(11/09 17:07:19) Kelsei A.T.: there was a revolt, and war, and fighting... and when it failed... D'ni 'calcified' for lack of a better word
(11/09 17:07:23) Kelsei A.T.: became stagnant, unchanging...
(11/09 17:07:37) Kelsei A.T.: the arch is a striking image, yes
(11/09 17:07:53) Kelsei A.T.: the arch of kings- that a King was supposed to sail through...
(11/09 17:08:09) Kelsei A.T.: and then it was left as a monument when the last King left it all to the guilds,
(11/09 17:08:12) Obregon: Can Mir-o-bot fly you over closer to it?
(11/09 17:08:31) Kelsei A.T.: im sure privately you could get someone to get you over to it,
(11/09 17:08:53) Obregon: I only know of mir-o-bot
(11/09 17:09:20) Kelsei A.T.: yes, he'd be one to speak to,
(11/09 17:09:53) Dni_seeker 5: BTW a D'ni returned to the Cavern.
(11/09 17:09:56) Kelsei A.T.: im told its an impressive view, up close on the water.
(11/09 17:10:17) Obregon: Is that the guy whose name starts with a B?
(11/09 17:10:24) Dni_seeker 5: benavud? Yes
(11/09 17:10:29) Obregon: Right
(11/09 17:11:00) Kelsei A.T. glances at her KI
(11/09 17:11:13) Kelsei A.T.: he's still in his relto. i wonder if he's waiting for someone?